Kristen Bell & Dax Shepard Debate The Paparazzi, Part 3
Kristen Bell & Dax Shepard Debate The Paparazzi, Part 3
Kristen Bell and Dax Shepard sit down with Steve Ginsberg and Christian Zimmerman of the photo agency AKM-GSI to debate Kristen and Dax’s “No Kids” policy for paparazzi. Are the paparazzi operating legally? And, what ethical issues do Dax and Kristen have with these photographers? Will Steve and Christian agree to only take authorized photos of celebrities’ children?
god there's paparrazi right there. This is crazy. How you are on private property. The paparrazi can be unrelenting for holunrelenting for Hollywood stars. Or anyone famous we saw firsthand while to go an interview with Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck in Vancouver back in 2005. We are back with Kristen bell and Zack Shephard Steve and Christian of the photo agency akmgsi. Thank you guys for sitting down right here in or studio. Whaor studio. What is your policy, Steve, at. The only policy we have we ask photographers to sign an agreement saying that any photo they submit to us are obtained legally. We don't want photo that are obtained illegally. We completely agree that school should be left alone. But walking down a public sidewalk let's say in front of the ivy unethical about that at all. It's news protected by the first amendment. Guaranteed freedom of press. I'm a father so I certainly respect your position and my job first and foremost as a father is for the safety of my child. Beyond the piano Sachs phone and hockey would I never condone any behavior by any photographer that puts the safety of a child in jeopardy. But shooting a mom and daughter walking down the street where there's a hunger thirst for the picture worldwide it's news and you are protected. Ambush ago minor might actually trigger a morale debate. What's the tri What's the trigger of ambush. Staying at the end of our driveway at bush and jumping out when we walk out. I personally would never stand at the end of your driveway in a bush that's not an ambush. Why notch it refers to military or police tactic. They are taking your picture. I would never do that. But some guys will. When you are a child. Consider that as a purchase? To take that out to outlet. Again, I own a photo agency. So I have to have belief in my photographers and those that I choose to represent that they are obtaining these photo legally. If I was to get a call from you or somebody that represents you or a lawyer of yours saying this photograph came from a man jumping out of a bush and we are asking you nicely to remove that photo and not push that photo it's not of dabing walking down Beverly boulevard in Beverly hills and we would consider the circumstances and probably remove the photo. So here let me get something out. Since you are in the office and you run the business. Bring this up a little bit like underlittle bit like undercover boss. We are on the street. And I'm telling you as a mom when I'm holding my baby your foot soldiers are nasty. They are they might be doing legal but what they are doing. We are in the making a legal argument at all. When I get off an airplane and I'm walking to my car and it's dark I don't travel with anti-an entourage with my baby by myself. 10 guy surrounding her screaming at her. Treatise like. If you don't have an ethical issue with that. We completely agree We completely agree with you. It's out of hand. It's out of hand. Now that you have seen it like undercover boss. I am a photographer soil. Now that you have snow that you have seen it first. But I'm telling you since you have started an agency it's gotten so much worse. It is a terrifying place to be just out in, on the street now. Because of the photographers. They are their behavior is so bad. Soup you know that your foot soldiers your employees are acting terribly to other citizensterribly to other citizens, what are you going to do about it. First of all you can't say our photographers because you don't know that they were our photographers. You admitted you buy pictures from children. You already admitted that. We don't buy photo. Okay. They are not soldiers and we are not paparrazi. Your analogy very respectfully Kristen akristen are actually hysterical. Do you know what it means. It means -- how does it not work. The photographers are getting sexual gratification from the business. No. And no. No. We know what you mean. Kristen said I didn't choose this. I'm a school teacher that's what you said. Your child. What's that. It's one of my jobs. Okay. So we did choose it. But our child hasn't chosen to be a public figure. So why should our child have to suffer because of the career path we have chosen? It is our constitutional trite take the picture. We are not having a legal argument we can see that you have a first amendment protection. We are in the going to argue. That we do not want our child photographed without our consent. Because she is a private person. You find a permission slip if your child. Your kid is entitled to the right. This that sounds fair. Doesn't it Steve. You own the agency. It sounds fair. In the sense that if I had a child would I probably say the same thing. I can't argue with your point of view whatsoever. I would ask that you at least understand our side of the table in that you are both public figures and. We don't like it but we understand it and we accept it because we chose it. I appreciate. That my over all point is human beings have tendency to wonder what it is to live as somebody else. I'm going to leave here today and wonder what car does Billy drive. I have my own and bottom line is. Reporter: Just lack at the parking space. Right outside the door. It's part of you. I absolutely understand the fact at the or she is not asking to be photographed. He or she has no idea what paparrazi is and why are these men following us and I absolutely agree a group of 20 people screaming and yelling and using swear words is unacceptable. I wouldn't want tonight front of anybody. Steve and Kristen comes down to money you are making money doing this the law has loop holes. Would it ab start, would you ever be bold enough to stop taking the pictures of children just to be a good person. Would I object bold enough to be a good person? Of course I would. Comes down to money. Start with you. To be frank about business, no. Because if I say to photographers out there I will no longer accept photo of children they will pack upchildren they will pack up, leave to another agency and I'm out of a business. You can not tell me that you desire to be a good person and then blatantly say in the next sentence but because I'm making money I'm not going to be. No it's not a matter of because I'm making money. It's because -- Tell us how you really feel. So if I stop running, if I stop taking images of children. Yes. The photographers as you said they go out and do their own thing on the street they will continue to do it. They just won't come knocking on my door but knocking on. I'll go to your competitor and have the same exact conversation until we can all agree we are human and at the end of. There won't be one hour, everyone agrees to do the right thing but it will happen eventually. It's already, I would imagine as like us I wouldn't have even dreamt of the success we had with last week and us weekly. People are blown away. Imagine the momentum is going to continue. People know it's not right to follow little kids around this aren't in the public eye. They know that. You guys know that. We all know it sitting here. And so it is going to continue to have momentum and it's going to change. So you can be at the front end or the tail end. You can be on the right side of history or the wrong side of history. Good karma or bad karma. But it will change and people know. It's going to change to small degree best of luck to both out of. So many law on the book in California. You keep bringing up law. Pushing and start. Listen. You have brought us legality of it about 25 times. I say -- I'm not a soldier I'm not a hunter. No you are a ask teacher. You are a school teacher but listen here. I can't say it more blatantly we are not talking about the legality. We are not propose that go we amend the constitution. We don't have a legal argument. So you are right. Ca Can't amend the constitution. Sought conversation that we are having with we are discussing the ethic of it morality of it and if people want to consume blatantly harmful. I'm glad you said this everyone who take the picture we are all bad people. Nobody is a bad person. The activist bad. That activist bad. You said that. We said everyone is a bad person? When you get home and watch this your delivery I never said that. So we want people. Do only consensual photo then. Will you agree to take a stand as a lead interthis industry and agree within your agency to care about the welfare of children and only do consensual photo of children? This is your moment Steve. Steve Steve Steve Steve Steve. Because I don't feel like sitting in front of you and lying to you, I the only promise I would is I would absolutely stand next to you in an effort to make this work the right way. Because I just don't agree that the current way you are doing it in my opinion is not the right way. The right way. Tell us what is. In other words, if they mention this morning if Perez Hilton wanted to stop running photo of children because within his company they felt that it was the wrong thing to do, they would have done that without you having to come out and say. That's no the true. That's not true. Can you -- We pointed out. We have to tal We have to talk about issues. That's what gets to us know the other point of view so we are just saying would you guys for a second walk a block in my baby's shoes what it feels like to see the flash bulb and then mother all across America go I didn't know that. We are going to make the decision for you guys. So we are going to get the magazines to stop it and they will stop buying them from you because you are not going to agree to I it which is fine. I don't expect you to as a broker but when we take away the demand and they are not buying the photo from you your photographers won't work for free. Take away the demand for worldwide is picture. He we'll try to. Good luck. Don't belittle a new mother. I'm not. Don't belittle a new mother husband. When this whole thing changes. Hang on for one second we take a break and when we come back Steve and Christian Zack and Kristen will continue after